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Grouped and sorted: Problems with Tamiya’s 1/24 Porsche 911 GT1 – kit 24186.

Tamiya 1/24 Porsche 911 GT1 (1996 factory team; original 1997 customer racing cars)
Flexible parts – wire; tubing; lacing; etc. Mechanical cables; wires; hoses
Made parts – additional plastic pieces: Engine Control System boxes; Anti-roll links; etc.
ReWorked kit parts- Solid “tubes” drilled to look hollow; Back of brake calipers opened.
Remove 1 piece suspension rocker; make 2 part sandwich for Pushrod and Shock/Spring;

Rear Suspension: RrSus
Prob; . Flex; . Make; . RW; . Description; . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . UID;

1; 25; 6.1; .2; .3; ; . Knob; lever; comb; Bowden cable end for rear anti-roll adj; RrSus_1;
2; 25; 7.1; .2; 46; ; . Anchor; Bow . den cable end; crank for rear anti-roll bar; RrSus_2;
13; ; ; RW; . . 2; possibly 4; Rear shock absorber reservoirs misplaced. Remove reattach as needed; RrSus_3
27; 24; 59; ; 2x; Air-hoses to rear and front air-jacks; RrSus_4;
29; ; ; RW; 2x; Drill open end of rear suspension rocker pivot tube; RrSus_5;
30; ; ; RW; 4x; Drill open end of rear subframe to transmission case tubes; RrSus_6
64; ; 46 ; ; Rear anti-roll bar has conical projections; unconnected. Real anti-roll bar has rotating blades; stiffest parallel to load; least stiff across load; connected by links to rockers; near pushrod ball joint; RrSus_7;
64; ; 39 ; ; 4x; 2 per side Rear suspension rockers are paired plates that sandwich ball joint at top of push-rod; ball joint on link to anti-roll bar; connection at top of shock absorber. New triangular plates () needed; also carve single-blob into shock and push-rod ball joint ends; RrSus_8;
65; 26; ; ; 2x; Rear shock to reservoirs banjo hose; RrSus_9;

            Engine Electronics  ""EngEl""                       

21; ; 18; ; 02 sensor cables (2x) missing; EngEl_1
22; ; 3; ; Connector cables to 3 coils/plugs; 2x; missing; EngEl_2
23; 4; ; ; 34 Connector cables to 3 injector spritzers; 2x; missing; EngEl_3
34; ; 3 Manufacturerís logo (TAG or MoTec) on engine control box(es); EngEl_4
66; ; 15 Cranshaft TDC sensor & cable; EngEl_5
67; ; 16 2x Knock sensor and cable; EngEl_6
68; ;17 30 2x mass flow sensor in compressed air pipe from turbo; EngEl_7
69; ; 38 ; 2x Mass flow sensor cover wrap; EngEl_8
70; ; 21; 28 (1x? 2X) Throttle position sensor & cable; EngEl_9

            "Engine Stuff  ""Eng"""                         

33 Most fluid pipes hoses have white labels; some air ducts blue labels Eng_1
12 22 Power steering fluid reservior; hoses; missing Eng_2
17 24 Heat shield over individual coils and spark plugs missing; 2x Eng_3
32 Electrical and electronic cables almost all have yellow ID bands Eng_4
61 9 Flat aluminum plates w/ stand away from throttles attached above
butterfly valves. Each plate has a spring clip for electrical conn.s Eng_5
62 52 Vertical aluminum plate; ìmicro bulkheadî; mounts 3 mated connectors
right aft of #4 cylinderís intake Eng_6
63 53 A smaller plate mounts 1 or 2 mated connectors right aft of cylnder #1 Eng_7

            Engine oil                          

3 11 3x Engine oil hoses; to and from tank; vent hose; total 3;
missing 1.25mm / 0.05? molded on Tamiya engine top. EngOil_1
3′ 1x Thermal Insulation wrap for Supply Hose EngOil_2
18 RW Breather / vent catch tank should be rectangular;
all 90 degree corners; needs vent hose EngOil_3
24 36 2x Cam box hoses & connectors to engine oil temp/ pressure sensor EngOil_4
25 13;14 2x Turbo oil supply and return hoses,(local reservoirs too;
under shaft bearings) EngOil_5
71 19;20 29 Oil temperature and pressure cables- to cylinder 6 micro bulkhead? EngOil_6

            "Engine Fuel & Air  ""EngF&A"""                     

7 10 40; 11 Throttle cable & mechanism; from Accelerator pedal; 2 anchors;
to throttle bar arm; link to butterfly valve arms; missing EngF&A_1
1; 2; 12; 27 Bar to butterfly shaft EngF&A_2
19 6; 42 13; 4 Fuel in to Filter; to Rail; to Pressure Regulator; (2x) to
Return hoses and connectors; missing; oversimplified EngF&A_3
5 10; 33 EngF&A_4
20 Intake manifold; control pressure hoses & connectors to
waste gate controls (2x) EngF&A_5
31 RW Intercooler collector ducts are 2 separate pieces; separate EngF&A_6
48 RW Cold air duct from roof intake to airbox restrictor should be
constant volume; 3.5mm diameter lower ends; no flat shoulder EngF&A_7
56 54 Intercoller Support EngF&A_8
57 n+1 Intercooler Condensation Line EngF&A_9
72 35 3x Chassis fuel & return to dry break EngF&A_10
73 43 Fuel pressure regulator return to dry break EngF&A_11
74 9 2x 8 6x Intake manifold to accumulator; EngF&A_12
“””” F9?; M4; F42; M33 EngF&A_13

            "Electrical  ""Elec"""                          

8 37 Battery + and ñ cable through cockpit missing Elec_1
9 1 Alternator + cable missing Elec_2
10 2 31; 32 Starter + cable & start cable missing Elec_3
14 35 Passenger side DC power connector missing Elec_4

            "Brakes  ""Brk"""                           

5 17; 18; 19 2x Rear brake cooling air intakes; ducts; Brk_1
11 14; 15; 16 2x Front brake cooling ducts and soft pipe Brk_2
38 RW 4x Brake calipers molded closed. Open disc & pads visible. Brk_3
39 45 2x Parking brake calipers Brk_4
65 Duplicate 75, 76, 94, 95 Brk_5
75 27 2x Rear brake hard pipes Brk_6
76 28 2x Rear brake soft pipes Brk_7
77 Parking brake cockpit lever Brk_8
78 29 Parking brake operating cables & sheaths Brk_9

            "Cockpit Stuff  ""Ckpt"""                           

6 34 3; 43 Engine management box(es) and cables missing Ckpt_1
15 43 36 Big computer box on passenger side; input cables; missing Ckpt_2
16 37 Driver drink holder missing Ckpt_3
28 RW 2x Open and thin ends of driver ventilation hoses in cockpit Ckpt_4
49 9 Wire bundles to relay panel Ckpt_5
50 13 Kill switch from steering wheel to dash board; via coiled cord Ckpt_6
51 Large 3D dashboard features- yellow fuel-low lamp;
safety-covered toggle switches; knobs Ckpt_7
52 Fire-extinguisher pipes & nozzles to Driver’s knees; 2X on
firewall above engine Ckpt_8
52 Cables and wires to console and instrument panel Ckpt_9
53 Cables and wires to anti-skid braking system Ckpt_10
54 41 Cockpit back wall rear body electrical (Brake; tail & backup
lamps); connector; abs wheel rpm; etc. 2 grommet min. Ckpt_11
58 Old school ignition key fits lock to the left of steering wheel Ckpt_12
79 Shifter support CF pedestal needs flanges over cockpit tunnel Ckpt_13
80 Bare or plated metal screw at top of driver’s shifter lever Ckpt_14
81 Big grommet for alternator to battery cable Ckpt_15
82 49 Little box and cables Ckpt_16
83 48 Cockpit camera and cable; (Mobil 1) cars had video cameras Ckpt_17
84 47 Cockpit camera mount Ckpt_18
85 23 2x or 4x Seat belt anchors Ckpt_19
86 41 4 hole wire duct for customer cars Ckpt_20
87 42 5 hole wire duct for customer cars Ckpt_21
88 39 2x door-stop strap Ckpt_22
89 remove Cockpit back wall vertical seam & circular markings Ckpt_23
90 Mobil 1 cars TAG engine box cables big grommet inback wall Ckpt_24

            "Coolant  ""Cool"""                         

26 23 4x Coolant pipe vents to header tank Cool_1
44; 48 21 Radiator exhaust duct visible through hot-air-exit Cool_2
55 Header pressure relief valve needs pipe to catch tank Cool_3
94 22 Coolant temp sensor. Cool_4

            "Transmission  ""Trns"""                            

4 Transmission vent hose missing Trns_1
36 31; 32 5 Hoses and filter for transmission oil in bas relief;
no connectors rework/replace Trns_2
37 44 Hydraulic lilne for clutch; Trns_3
58 33 sensor line from transmission; missing Trns_4
92 40 return from heat exchanger Trns_5
93 45 hose to heat exchanger Trns_6
64 A 7th plate with connector clips is attached
to the Transmission; starboard side Trns_7

            (Tamiya clear body version)                         
            Clear Front stuff - interior; suspension; hidden in opaque body"    “”ClrFrt””                      

93 front sheetmetal clip; missing under (front) trunk lid ClrFrt_1
41 Front anti-roll bar missing ClrFrt_2
42 Front anti-roll bar adjuster- knob; lever; comb;
cable; anchor; crank; ClrFrt_3
43 Front shock reserviors & banjo hoses missing ClrFrt_4
45 Front shock tower brace; diagonal brace; missing ClrFrt_5
46 Fuel cell; filler and vent hoses; missing ClrFrt_6
47 4 fuel filters; hoses; 3 hydralic reserviors; between
windscreen and fuel cell; under (front) trunk lid; missing ClrFrt_7
94 27 2x front brake hard pipes ClrFrt_8
76 28 2x rear brake soft pipes ClrFrt_9

            Parking lot:                            

35 Suspension arms; other hard parts; sometimes have white labels
57′ Tamiya specify X-18 Semi Gloss Black for many dark gray; not flat;
not semigloss areas: anodized aluminum spokes in steering wheel
and the black suede leather for example.

Problems with Tamiya’s 1/24 Porsche 911 GT1 – kit 24186. Un-grouped brain-storm result.

I started building this as soon as I unwrapped it on Christmas, many years ago. But I couldn’t square the kit parts with photos I found, and the more photos I found. the worse it got. Eventually I stopped. What stopped me: (Letter and number group by location and severity, key at bottom)

1; Knob, lever, comb, Bowden cable end for rear anti-roll adjustment missing; RS; 1.1;
2; Anchor, Bowden cable end, crank for rear anti-roll bar missing; RS; 2.0;
3; Engine oil hoses, to and from tank, vent hose, total 3, missing 1.25mm / 0.05″ molded on Tamiya engine top. ; E; 2.0,
4; Transmission vent hose missing; T; 2.0;
5; Rear brake cooling air intakes, ducts, very wrong, poorly represented; RB; 1.0;
6; Engine management box(es) and cables missing; C; 1.5;
7; Throttle cable & mechanism, from Accelerator pedal, 2 anchors, to throttle bar arm, link to butterfly valve arms, missing; C, E; 1.5, 2.2;
8; Battery + and – cable missing; C, E; 1.5;
9; Alternator + cable missing; E; 2.1;
10; Starter + cable & start cable missing; E, C; 1.5, 2.2;
11; Front brake cooling ducts and soft pipe missing; FB;
12; Power steering fluid reservior, hoses, missing; E;
13: 2, possibly 4, rear shock absorber reserviors misplaced. Banjo hoses between reserviors and shocks missing; RS;
14; Passenger side DC power connector missing; C;
15; Big computer box on passenger side, input cables, missing; C;
16; Driver drink holder missing; C;
17; Heat shield over individual coils and spark plugs missing, 2x; E;
18; Breather / vent catch tank should be rectangular, all 90 degree corners, needs vent hose; E;
19; Fuel in to Filter, to Rail, to Pressure Regulator, (2x) to Return hoses and connectors, missing, oversimplified; E;
20; Intake manifold and control pressure hoses & connectors to waste gate controls (2x) missing; E;
21; 02 sensor cables (2x) missing; E;
22: Connector cables to 3 coils/plugs, 2x, missing; E;
23; Connector cables to 3 injector spritzers, 2x, missing; E;
24; Cam box hoses & connnectors to engine oil temperature/poessure sensor (2x) missing; E;
25; Turbo oil supply and return hoses missing, (local reserviors too, but can’t be seen) 2x; E;
26; Coolant pipe vents to header tank missing 4x; E;
27; Air-hoses to rear and front airjacks (2x) missing; RS;
28; Open and thin ends of driver ventilation hoses in cockpit (2x); C;
29; Drill open end of rear suspension rocker pivot tube, 2x; RS;
30; Drill open end of rear subframe to transmission case tubes 4x; RS;
31; Intercooler collector ducts are 2 separate pieces, separate them’; E;
32; Electrical and electronic cables almost all have yellow ID bands; E, C;
33; Most fluid pipes and hoses have white labels, some air ducts have blue labels; E;
34; Manufacturer’s logo (TAG or MoTec) on engine control box(es); C;
35; Suspension arms, other hard parts, sometimes have white labels; FS, RS;
36; Hoses and filter for transmission oil in bas relief, no onnectors rework/replace; T;
37; Hydraulic lilne for clutch, sensor line from transmission, missing; T;
38; Brake calipers molded to disc, closed back, Should be open, disc & pads visible. 4x; FS, RS;
39; Parking brakes, operating cables, (2x) cockpit lever, missing; RS;

(Tamiya clear body version:
40; 993 front sheetmetal clip, missing under (front) trunk lid; T;
41; Front anti-roll bar missing; FS;
42; Front anti-roll bar adjuster- knob, lever, comb, cable, anchor, crank, missing; FS;
43; Front shock reserviors & banjo hoses missing; FS;
44; Front shock tower brace, diagonal brace, missing; FS;
45; Fuel cell, filler and vent hoses, missing ; FS;
46; 4 fuel filters, hoses, 3 hydralic reserviors, between windscreen and fuel cell, under (front) trunk lid, missing; FS;

All versions, cont:
47; Cold air duct from roof intake to airbox / restrictor should be constant volume, about 3.5mm diameter at lower ends, no flat “shoulder” as Tamiya molded it; E;
48; Radiator exhaust duct visible through hot-air-exit; T;
49; Wire bundles to dashboard + console, ABS & relay panel missing; C;
50; Kill switch from steering wheel to dash board, via coiled cord, missing; C;
51; Large 3D features- yellow fuel-low lamp, safety-covered toggle switches, knobs, missing from dashboard; C;
52; Fire-extinguisher in pass. footwell needs pipes & nozzles to Driver’s knees, 2X on firewall, above engine; C;
53: Cockpit back wall / firewall has imaginary vertical seam & 4 circular markings not on real cars; C;
54; Cockpit back wall / firewall needs one big, central, gromet for TAG engine box cables, OR 2 hole diamond shape on its side plate4 + 5 hole array for customer MoTec boxes; C;
55; Cockpit back wall / firewall needs rear body electrical (Brake, tail & backup lamps), connector, battery +/-, abs, etc. 2 gromet min.; C;
56; Factory (Mobil 1) cars had video cameras aimed ahead out windscreen; C;
57; Tamiya specify X-18 Semi Gloss Black for many dark gray, not flat, not semigloss areas: anodized aluminum spokes in steering wheel and the black suede leather for example.
58; Old school ignition key fits lock to the left of steering wheel- 911 / Le Mans start style, both missing; C;
59: Rear anti-roll bar molded with conical projections, unconnected to anything.. Actual anti-roll bar has rotating blades, stiffest parallel to pushrod, least stiff across pushrod,, connected by links to rocker bell crank, at or outside pushrod ball joint; RS;
60; Rear suspension rockers are paired plates that sandwich ball joint at top of pushrod, ball joint on link to anit-roll bar, connection at top of shock absorber. Tamiya mold shock, spring, rocker and pushrod as single unit. New triangular plates (4x, 2 per side) are needed, after carving each single-blob into shock and pushrod ball joint ends; RS;
61; Flat aluminum plates with arms to stand them away from throttles are attached just above butterfly valves. Each plate has a spring clip that can hold a mated pair of electrical connectors for signals going from or to the engine, to or from the cockpit;. E;
62; Vertical aluminum plate, “micro bulkhead”, mounts 3 mated connectors right aft of #4 cylinder’s intake; C;
63; A smaller plate mounts 1 or 2 mated connectors right aft of cylnder #1; E;
64; A seventh plate with connector clips is attached to the Transmissioon, holding connectors from the starboard side of the transmission; T;
65; Hard metal pipes for all four wheel brakes are missing, as are soft rubber hoses 4 of each required; RS; FS;

This is an ungrouped, unrefined, brain-storming result. Next step is group like with like.

Category key:

Where on model:
C=Cockpit, E=Engine, FB=Front Brakes, FS=Front Suspension, RB=Rear Brakes, RS=Rear Suspension, T=Transaxle

1: Visible from outside car with engine cover closed, by casual observer
1.1 Visible from outside car with some study
1.2 Visible from outside when looking closely into air intakes
1.3 Visible from outside when looking closely into air exhausts (trunk lid & back end)
1.4 Visible from outside when looking closely into wheel wells, tires, wheels
1.5 Visible from outside when looking closely into cockpit

2 Visible under engine cover, by the casual observer
2.1 Visible under the engine cover, with some study
2.2 Visible under the engine cover, when looking closely

After grouping, make sure I’ve listed everything. Then enumerate parts and cables/hoses to cover the absences.. Cheers!

Is code review subjective or objective-quantifiable? My answer, still useful!

“Software Engineering” on Stack Exchange, OP question and all responses here:

My answer, perhaps my most useful, professional, lessons learned. From 2010:

Grading individuals in a review is counter to most successful systems I’ve worked with, maybe all. But the goal I’ve been trying to reach for more than 30 years is fewer bugs and increased productivity per-engineer-hour. If grading individuals is a goal, I suppose reviews could be used. I’ve never seen a situation where it was required, as a worker or as a leader.

Some objective study (Fagan, etc.) and a lot of popular wisdom suggests that peer relationships facilitate code reviews aimed at reducing bugs and increasing productivity. Working managers may participate as workers, but not as managers. Points of discussion are noted, changes to satisfy reviewers are generally a good thing but not required. Hence the peer relationship.

Any automated tools that can be accepted without further analysis or judgment are good – lint in C, C++, Java. Regular compilation. Compilers are REALLY good at findng compiler bugs. Documenting deviations in automated checks sounds like a subtle indictment of the automated checks. Code directives (like Java does) that allow deviations are pretty dangerous, IMHO. Great for debugging, to allow you to get the heart of the matter, quickly. Not so good to find in a poorly documented, 50,000 non-comment-line block of code you’ve become responsible for.

Some rules are stupid but easy to enforce; defaults for every switch statement even when they’re unreachable, for example. Then it’s just a check box, and you don’t have to spend time and money testing with values which don’t match anything. If you have rules, you’ll have foolishness, they are inextricably linked. Any rule’s benefit should be worth the foolishness it costs, and that relationship should be checked at regular intervals.

On the other hand, “It runs” is no virtue before review, or defense in review. If development followed the waterfall model, you’d like to do the review when coding is 85% complete, before complicated errors were found and worked out, because review is a cheaper way to find them. Since real life isn’t the waterfall model, when to review is somewhat of an art and amounts to a social norm. People who will actually read your code and look for problems in it are solid gold. Management that supports this in an on-going way is a pearl above price. Reviews should be like checkins- early and often.

I’ve found these things beneficial:

1) No style wars. Where open curly braces go should only be subject to a consistency check in a given file. All the same. That’s fine then. Ditto indentation depth**s and **tab widths. Most organizations discover they need a common standard for tab, which is used as a large space.

2) `Ragged

text that doesn’t

line up is hard to read
for content

BTW, K&R indented five (FIVE) spaces, so appeals to authority are worthless. Just be consistent.

3) A line-numbered, unchanging, publicly available copy of the file to be reviewed should be pointed to for 72 hours or more before the review.

4) No design-on-the-fly. If there’s a problem, or an issue, note its location, and keep moving.

5) Testing that goes through all paths in the development environment is a very, very, very, good idea. Testing that requires massive external data, hardware resources, use of the customer’s site, etc, etc. is testing that costs a fortune and won’t be thorough.

6) A non-ASCII file format is acceptable if creation, display, edit, etc., tools exist or are created early in development. This is a personal bias of mine, but in a world where the dominant OS can’t get out of its own way with less than 1 gigabyte of RAM, I can’t understand why files less than, say, 10 megabytes should be anything other than ASCII or some other commercially supported format. There are standards for graphics, sound, movies, executable, and tools that go with them. There is no excuse for a file containing a binary representation of some number of objects.

For maintenance, refactoring or development of released code, one group of co-workers I had used review by one other person, sitting at a display and looking at a diff of old and new, as a gateway to branch check-in. I liked it, it was cheap, fast, relatively easy to do. Walk-throughs for people who haven’t read the code in advance can be educational for all but seldom improve the developer’s code.

If you’re geographically distributed, looking at diffs on a screen while talking with someone else looking at the same would be relatively easy. That covers two people looking at changes. For a larger group who have read the code in question, multiple sites isn’t a lot harder than all in one room. Multiple rooms linked by shared computer screens and squak boxes work very well, IMHO. The more sites, the more meeting management is needed. A manager as facilitator can earn their keep here. Remember to keep polling the sites you’re not at.

At one point, the same organization had automated unit testing which was used as regression testing. That was really nice. Of course we then changed platforms and automated test got left behind. Review is better, as the Agile Manifesto notes, relationships are more important than process or tools. But once you’ve got review, automated unit tests/regression tests are the next most important help in creating good software.

If you can base the tests on requirements, well, like the lady says in “When Harry Met Sally”, I’ll have what she’s having!

All reviews need to have a parking lot to capture requirements and design issues at the level above coding. Once something is recognized as belonging in the parking lot, discussion should stop in the review.

Sometimes I think code review should be like schematic reviews in hardware design- completely public, thorough, tutorial, the end of a process, a gateway after which it gets built and tested. But schematic reviews are heavyweight because changing physical objects is expensive. Architecture, interface and documentation reviews for software should probably be heavyweight. Code is more fluid. Code review should be lighter weight.

In a lot of ways, I think technology is as much about culture and expectation as it is about a specific tool. Think of all the “Swiss Family Robinson”/Flintstones/McGyver improvisations that delight the heart and challenge the mind. We want our stuff to work. There isn’t a single path to that, any more than there was “intelligence” which could somehow be abstracted and automated by 1960s AI programs.

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Blog Post of “List and example of Ultimate Car Page’s Porsche 911 (993) GT1 photos”

Ultimate Car Page:

That top-level page includes a link to 88 GT1 images,

Selected pictures I find useful are included below. Pictures I find less useful are just listed by number. See the note on accessing the pictures at the bottom of this page.

124269 FTN 00 car in foggy paddock

124279 FTN 00 car and Factory / Mobil 1 car from right, rear, quarter













1997 Evo / Customer cars:

Note about access by image number:

Photos at Ultimate Car Page can’t be searched by number *in the page*. But can be searched by number from a search engine (DuckDuckGo, Google, Bing, etc.) Each image is in a file with its 6 digit ID where this example shows ######:, for example,


Notice the bold text for the literal image file shows internal details of how Ultimate Car Page is organized internally.

The images are embedded in a web page named


You can click through those links to see the picture but I don’t know html well enough to get the picture to display in this page AND have it be live for click-to-open, from the .html URL. More to learn. Another opportunity to excell!

Our story, integration

In response to two of David Brooks’ columns about “our” problems, 7/23 & an earlier one, I wrote the following. From the recommendations and replies, I gather I’m not the only one who feels this way…


Bill Abbott
Oakland California July 23
The “we” you see is not the one I experience. You write,
We post-Cold War Americans haven’t really settled on what story we are a part of.
Really? I’m pretty clear what story I’m part of. Objective truth exists and is important. We are measured by how we treat the least among us. Science works because it is based on reality. Hope can overcome fear. Do unto others as we wish to be done to ourselves. The challenges we face mean we have no-one to waste, yet too many people are poor, marginalized and left behind. Women’s rights are human rights. Black lives matter. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Love wins. We don’t educate our neighbor’s children because of charity, we educate them because we will have to live with them. We are not perfect, we have never been perfect, but we can always get better. That’s my story. That’s the story of my country, and of humans in general.
The first President I voted for was Jimmy Carter, in 1976. I’m still waiting for a Republican I could vote for to appear on a ballot. Any ballot. Local, State or Federal.
In an earlier column, you wrote, “As a nation we seem to have lost all enthusiasm for racial integration.” Maybe that’s true for you. Its not true for me, or my friends, or our kids, or the cities and states we live in. Come visit us in Oakland. We are still working on it. Its hard work, that doesn’t mean its not the right goal.
546 Recommend
Mark Thomason commented July 24
Mark Thomason
Clawson, MIJuly 24
@Bill Abbott — Not everywhere is California. To win, we need the politics of the Venn Diagram overlap. I don’t devalue what you say, nor what is said in other regions. I say there is enough in common to make a politics that will resonate with a majority of voters, without using hate and fear.
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TinyBlueDot commented July 24
AlabamaJuly 24
@Bill Abbott
Mr. Abbott, please consider running for office in some capacity. Your remarks are clear, intelligent, and convincing. And I agree with every word you wrote, perhaps especially the line, “We are measured by how we treat the least among us.”
Leslie Durr commented July 24
Leslie Durr
Charlottesville, VAJuly 24
@Bill Abbott Brooks isn’t talking to you or to many of us. He’s talking to the disaffected white people who have been co-opted by the Republicans to ‘look over there, not over here.’ And, yes, some of them actually read the NY Times.
Au Gold commented July 24
Au Gold
New Jersey, USAJuly 24
@Bill Abbott Well said!
Pete Hollister commented July 24
Pete Hollister
Oregon WIJuly 24
What a great comment. Bravo!
Leslie Durr commented July 24
Leslie Durr
Charlottesville, VAJuly 24
@TinyBlueDot We really need people like you who resonate with Bill Abbott’s words in places like Alabama to run; Oakland already has it down pat.

The roots of “Enhanced Interrogation”

Since WWII, the United States forces have conducted one or another form or what’s now called SERE, “Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape”, training. The obvious intent is to prepare those going in harm’s way, particularly operating in or flying over enemy territory. Aircraft crash, or get shot down; unplanned and unforeseen events occur whenever service people are in enemy territory. Knowing how to shelter, hide, escape, fight back and resist interrogation are teachable skills and our services teach them.

SERE materials were at least one point of departure for the Bush II administration’s immoral and counter-productive “enhanced interrogation technique” debacle. None of the chicken-hawks in the Bush II administration had faced hostile fire or been trained to resist interrogation. But if you looked for experience and systematic application of illegal and immoral treatment to hostile captives, in the US Defense complex, you’d quickly find the Resistance training and the simulated interrogations.

And de-briefing of survivors of real interrogations by the bad guys, of course.

The simulated interrogations in SERE training should have taken in all that they could from real experience. And SERE would have training material explaining to the interrogators: what to do, how to do it, where our “bright lines” are, etc. Also, serious, real, experience of how the training interrogations were applied to our own people, how effective they were, what techniques we taught to oppose interrogation etc.

A number of people would have been derelict in their duty if all the records, training materials, etc, didn’t exist, and it would have been further dereliction if this stuff wasn’t brought out when “W” and Cheney wanted to throw out the rule book and start abusing prisoners. At least I hope so.

But there’s one other thing about SERE that poorly supports being used for enhanced interrogation techniques. Getting “actionable intelligence” is a goal of any interrogation, but North Vietnam, North Korea and Iraq were fighting propaganda wars as well as shooting wars, and they really wanted their captives to confess their “crimes” to the international media. Even after the length of their captivity made any factual revelation of limited value, fake confessions to evil intent and behavior were highly desired. No doubt SERE prepared trainees for this as well. Thus SERE interrogators weren’t just trying to get actionable intelligence, they were also trying to coerce fake confessions. Coercing fake confessions wouldn’t be any benefit if applied to “high value” al-Qaeda or ISIL captives. We wanted to know what they knew, not force them to say what we wanted to hear.

Whether the SERE playbook separated interrogation for facts from “interrogation” to coerce lies, the fact is that the two activities were NOT separated, in practice, by our enemies. How well our nation’s intelligence folks separated before they were tried on random victims isn’t something I expect I’ll ever know. And I’m biased against “enhanced” techniques, I confess that. But I can’t believe that either copying our enemies, or the nastiest people we could ask, or using part of SERE’s play book, would lead to anything additional to what conventional, well-understood, interrogation as practiced, without “enhancement”, would yield.


Tami Wilson

via Tami Wilson

I am shocked! Shocked! Common, racist, assertions, don’t appear to be supported by facts:

I was wading through comments on poorly edited, badly structured, opinion piece in the online New York Times and I found this familiar line of baloney in a comment.

“Me”, below, claims: “whites do NOT commit the majority of car jackings, robberies, muggings, murders”.

So I ran a quick look at real data from the FBI. No surprise, 2 of these 4 claims are hard to credit, the statement about robbery appears to be true, and, for murders, no group commits the majority. Blacks are the majority of murder victims. All in 2015. I’m going to check some other years learn more, and will post more here.

There are no discrete “car jacking” or “mugging” statistics, but Assault, Motor Vehicle Theft and Kidnapping would seem a fair approximation. The vast majority of all three are committed by whites.

Here’s my comment in context: Response to racist baloney . Or you can read it here:

“For 2015:… 

The majority of murder VICTIMS are black. and a plurality of killers. I expect whites are the majority of killers of other whites.
of whites: 2101; of blacks: 2254; of other/unknown: 152
by whites: 2104; by blacks: 2507; by other/unknown (rounded) 603

Whites are NOT the majority of robbers, and blacks are:
of whites: 45,812; of blacks: 26,861; of other/unk (rnd): 5000
by whites: 26,369 of blacks 64,636; by other/unknown (rounded) 9,850

Assaults: Majority white and white
against whites: 799,095, against blacks, 352,449, against other/unk (rnd): 58,000
by white: 678,428 by blacks 413,872; by other/unknown (rounded) 81,000

Motor vehicle theft: Majority white and white
against whites: 118,314; against blacks 35,644, other/unk: (rnd) 14,000
by whites: 45,791 by blacks 21,544; by other/unknown (rounded) 37,000

Kidnapping/abduction: Majority white and white
of whites, 11,883, of blacks 4,175; by other/unk (rounded) 850
by white: 10,188 by blacks 6,299; by other/unknown 1,175

“Me” also claims “Mass shootings are extremely rare” – depends on how you define “mass shooting” and “rare”. We have a LOT of shootings and multiple victims are often hit.”


For thoughts on the original piece, “White Nationalism Is Destroying the West”, in general, see: Somebody has to say these things… or read it here:

“There are steps, small or large, still steps, between anti-immigrant positions, anti-Muslim positions and white nationalism. What, then, is the point of this poorly edited opinion piece? That anti-immigrant movements are a fertile recruiting ground for white nationalists? True, and hardly worth this much close reasoning. That Muslims are the stated, rejected, “Other”, but that white nationalism threatens Western liberalism in general? We’re past that point when discussing anti-Semitic advertising in Hungary. Asserted and accepted. Please go on. 

The last three paragraphs probably should be the first three, and then some support for the assertions in those paragraphs mustered as the body of the piece. As it stands ‘Western” variously means Europe, or Europe and America, and that is probably Europe and the United States of America. Canada dismissed as just more Europeans and Mexico omitted entirely.

Or, is “West” shorthand for “Western Democracy”? What about all the other democracies in the world that aren’t in Europe or even North America? Brazil? South Africa? Japan? South Korea? ( added after submitting to NYT: India? Pakistan? Australia? New Zealand? Argentina? Ghana? etc. etc. etc. )

Since the writer takes their definition of “West” and “White Nationalism” seriously, perhaps they could state and defend their definition, on the way to broader points. Supporting “White nationalism is in many ways a mirror image of radical Islamism.” would be a good start.”




Has anyone else seen this problem? Here’s a link to a web site:

link to list of fake news sources

It messes up mightily in Facebook.

Ms Trump’s speech, Ms Obama’s speech, discuss.

Here you go, then. The beginning of Ms. Trump’s speech from last night, and Ms. Obama’s speech from 8 years ago. The repeated parts are the beginning and end of a nice paragraph, in Ms. Trump’s first page, Ms. Obama’s 2nd page (3.5 vs 6 pages, total).  I note that Ms. Trump describes what her parents taught her, without reference to her spouse, while Ms. Obama describes something she and her spouse have in common. There’s also a desirable sentence in Ms. Obama’s original which Ms. Trump, significantly, does not claim. Giving credit to people you don’t know or don’t agree with isn’t really Mr. Trump’s “thing”. Ms. Trump might claim it for her parents or herself, but bringing it up in the context of her husband doesn’t do him any favors.

I’ve included Ms. Trump’s 2nd page because I found the her remark about Mr. Trump’s loyalty rather, uh, unexpected. With all due respect, nobody’s 3rd spouse, after 2 divorces, can really attest to someone else’s “loyalty”. IMHO.

Both speeches are worth reading, what you get here is the context for the sound bytes that are easy to find tonight. Go watch or listen to the complete works, they’re worth your time.

Ms Trump: Thank you very much. Thank you. You have all been very kind to Donald and me, to our young son Barron, and to our whole family. It’s a very nice welcome and we’re excited to be with you at this historic convention. I am so proud of your choice for President of the United States, my husband, Donald J. Trump. And I can assure you, he is moved by this great honor. The 2016 Republican primaries were fierce and started with many candidates, 17 to be exact, and I know that Donald agrees with me when I mention how talented all of them are. They deserve respect and gratitude from all of us. However, when it comes to my husband, I will say that I am definitely biased, and for good reason. I have been with Donald for 18 years and I have been aware of his love for this country since we first met. He never had a hidden agenda when it comes to his patriotism, because, like me, he loves this country so much. I was born in Slovenia, a small, beautiful and then communist country in Central Europe. My sister Ines, who is an incredible woman and a friend, and I were  raised by my wonderful parents. My elegant and hard-working mother Amalia introduced me to fashion and beauty. My father Viktor instilled in me a passion for business and travel. Their integrity, compassion and intelligence reflect to this day on me and for my love of family and America. From a young age, my parents impressed on me the

values that you work hard for what you want in life: that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise; that you treat people with respect. They taught and showed me values and morals in their daily life. That is a lesson that I continue to pass along to our son, and we need to pass those lessons on to the many generation to follow. Because we want our children — and all children in this nation — to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work for them. (Ms Trump repeated this about here. It’s not in the transcript.)

I travelled the world while working hard in the incredible arena of fashion. After living and working in Milan and Paris, I arrived in New York City twenty years ago, and I saw both the joys and the hardships of daily life. On July 28th, 2006, I was very proud to become a citizen of the United States — the greatest privilege on planet Earth. I cannot, or will not take the freedoms this country offers for granted. But these freedoms have come with a price so many times. The sacrifices made by our veterans are reminders to us of this. I would like to take this moment to recognize an amazing veteran, the great Senator Bob Dole. And let us thank all of our veterans in the arena today, and those across our great country. We are all truly blessed to be here. That will never change.

I can tell you with certainty that my husband has been concerned about our country for as long as I have known him. With all of my heart, I know that he will make a great and lasting difference. Donald has a deep and unbounding determination and a never-give-up attitude. I have seen him fight for years to get a project done — or even started — and he does not give up! If you want someone to fight for you and your country, I can assure you, he is the ‘guy’. He will never, ever, give up. And, most importantly, he will never, ever, let you down. Donald is, and always has been, an amazing leader. Now, he will go to work for you. His achievements speak for themselves, and his performance throughout the primary campaign proved that he knows how to win. He also knows how to remain focused on improving our country — on keeping it safe and secure. He is tough when he has to be but he is also kind and fair and caring. This kindness is not always noted, but it is there for all to see. That is one reason I fell in love with him to begin with. Donald is intensely loyal. To family, friends, employees, country. (A 3rd wife would know…) He has the utmost respect for his parents, Mary and Fred, to his sisters Maryanne and Elizabeth, to his brother Robert and to the memory of his late brother Fred. His children have been cared for and mentored to the extent that even his adversaries admit they are an amazing testament to who he is as a man and a father.   [snip]


Ms Obama: As you might imagine, for Barack, running for president is nothing compared to that first game of basketball with my brother, Craig. I can’t tell you how much it means to have Craig and my mom here tonight. Like Craig, I can feel my dad looking down on us, just as I’ve felt his presence in every grace-filled moment of my life.

At 6-foot-6, I’ve often felt like Craig was looking down on me too … literally. But the truth is, both when we were kids and today, he wasn’t looking down on me. He was watching over me. And he’s been there for me every step of the way since that clear February day 19 months ago, when — with little more than our faith in each other and a hunger for change — we joined my husband, Barack Obama, on the improbable journey that’s brought us to this moment. But each of us also comes here tonight by way of our own improbable journey.

I come here tonight as a sister, blessed with a brother who is my mentor, my protector and my lifelong friend. I come here as a wife who loves my husband and believes he will be an extraordinary president. I come here as a mom whose girls are the heart of my heart and the center of my world — they’re the first thing I think about when I wake up in the morning, and the last thing I think about when I go to bed at night. Their future — and all our children’s future — is my stake in this election. And I come here as a daughter — raised on the South Side of Chicago by a father who was a blue-collar city worker and a mother who stayed at home with my brother and me. My mother’s love has always been a sustaining force for our family, and one of my greatest joys is seeing her integrity, her compassion and her intelligence reflected in my own daughters.

My dad was our rock. Although he was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in his early 30s, he was our provider, our champion, our hero. As he got sicker, it got harder for him to walk, it took him longer to get dressed in the morning. But if he was in pain, he never let on.

He never stopped smiling and laughing — even while struggling to button his shirt, even while using two canes to get himself across the room to give my mom a kiss. He just woke up a little earlier and worked a little harder.

He and my mom poured everything they had into me and Craig. It was the greatest gift a child can receive: never doubting for a single minute that you’re loved, and cherished, and have a place in this world. And thanks to their faith and hard work, we both were able to go on to college. So I know firsthand from their lives — and mine — that the American dream endures.

And you know, what struck me when I first met Barack was that even though he had this funny name, even though he’d grown up all the way across the continent in Hawaii, his family was so much like mine. He was raised by grandparents who were working-class folks just like my parents, and by a single mother who struggled to pay the bills just like we did. Like my family, they scrimped and saved so that he could have opportunities they never had themselves. And Barack and I were raised with so many of the same

values: that you work hard for what you want in life; that your word is your bond and you do what you say you’re going to do; that you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don’t know them, and even if you don’t agree with them.

And Barack and I set out to build lives guided by these values, and pass them on to the next generation. Because we want our children — and all children in this nation — to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work for them. 

And as our friendship grew, and I learned more about Barack, he introduced me to the work he’d done when he first moved to Chicago after college. Instead of heading to Wall Street, Barack had gone to work in neighborhoods devastated when steel plants shut down and jobs dried up. And he’d been invited back to speak to people from those neighborhoods about how to rebuild their community.
The people gathered together that day were ordinary folks doing the best they could to build a good life. They were parents living paycheck to paycheck; grandparents trying to get by on a fixed income; men frustrated that they couldn’t support their families after their jobs disappeared. Those folks weren’t asking for a handout or a shortcut. They were ready to work — they wanted to contribute. They believed — like you and I believe — that America should be a place where you can make it if you try.

Barack stood up that day, and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about “The world as it is” and “The world as it should be.” And he said that all too often, we accept the distance between the two, and settle for the world as it is — even when it doesn’t reflect our values and aspirations. But he reminded us that we know what our world should look like. We know what fairness and justice and opportunity look like. And he urged us to believe in ourselves — to find the strength within ourselves to strive for the world as it should be. And isn’t that the great American story?

It’s the story of men and women gathered in churches and union halls, in town squares and high school gyms — people who stood up and marched and risked everything they had — refusing to settle, determined to mold our future into the shape of our ideals. [snip]